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S3 E4. Israel’s Bad but Critical Hostage Deal
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S3 E4. Israel’s Bad but Critical Hostage Deal

Why we need it. And why IDF Chief of Staff Halevi resigned this week.
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Vivian Bercovici
Jan 23, 2025
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Ya’akov Katz is back to discuss the wild week we’ve had here. I caught up with him on Wednesday evening, Israel time, and had intended to focus on the resignation the day before of IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi. But, of course, we spent more than half our time discussing the terrible hostage deal that we agree was absolutely necessary. And we get into how the deal might unfold in the coming weeks. Then, we got into the Halevi thing. Herzi Halevi was in office on October 7, and shortly after the disaster, he said he was responsible and would resign. Soon. More recently he had indicated he’d step down in June, but that was suddenly moved up. It’s no secret that PM Netanyahu wants Halevi gone—and he has made it very clear that he assigns blame for October 7 to the IDF and Shin Bet. When it comes to his own government and the fact that he is the man at the top of the pyramid, Netanyahu balks. So. Halevi is going—but not until the first stage of this hostage deal is done. Minister of Defense, Yisrael Katz, is regarded as Bibi’s guy. He is also not taken terribly seriously by the defense establishment. That may or may not be fair, but it is a fact. The replacement for Halevi will be chosen by Netanyahu. Not Katz. And that person faces an unenviable challenge: restore public trust in the IDF and take a hard look at the army’s entrenched bureaucracy and how that needs to be revamped. As always, Yaakov and I spare no one and seem to agree on pretty much everything this week! Listen to the podcast here or watch on YouTube….link below.

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Yaakov Katz is an Israeli-American author and journalist. Between 2016 and 2023, Yaakov was editor-in-chief of The Jerusalem Post where he continues to write a popular weekly column.

He is the author of three books: “Shadow Strike – Inside Israel’s Secret Mission to Eliminate Syrian Nuclear Power”, “Weapon Wizards—How Israel Became a High-Tech Military Superpower” and “Israel vs. Iran: The Shadow War.”

Prior to taking up the role of editor-in-chief, Yaakov served for two years as a senior policy adviser to Naftali Bennett during his tenure as Israel’s Minister of Economy and Minister of Diaspora Affairs.

In 2013, Yaakov was one of 12 international fellows to spend a year at the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University.

Originally from Chicago, Yaakov has a law degree from Bar Ilan University. He lives in Jerusalem with his wife Chaya and their four children.

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Glenn Heath
Jan 23

I could listen to you two all day!

Any release of hostages is incredibly important. Bad deal or not, the faces of the 3 young women was a very bright moment for Israel, Jews and those of us that support you.

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Jan 23

Ha! I could listen to us all day as well!!! Always great speaking with Ya'akov. It's a very bright moment. And let's hope they rehabilitate well and quickly. Just incredible watching those hugs. So much raw emotion. Having said that......we also look ahead with hope and trepidation. Let's just please get them all out asap. Thanks for listening, Glenn.

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Pieter Dorsman
Jan 24

Great update Vivian and Yaakov. The Trump/Witkoff approach will be to do whatever is required to get to a lasting ceasefire, but I doubt if they will bring the extreme pressure on Qatar/Hamas and Bibi to the extent they need to. I also question their strategic wherewithal to see how this could work over the long term.

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Jan 24

Thanks, Pieter. At this point the squeeze must be on Qatar. So desperate to be seen as a dignified country and not the Islamist terrorist supporters they are. Bibi is under extraordinary domestic pressure to get all hostages out. He’s opened the sluice and moved the nation to its core. It’s national soul. As for long term strategic goals/plans? Agree. But I think Trump's NSA Michael Waltz is the address for that. And he has definitely given it thought.

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